September 27, 2021 9:54 AM from Brandi Carrier to everyone: Welcome All. We will be getting started shortly. Closed captioning should be available in the Multimedia Viewer panel within Webex. You may need to click “continue” and enter your name to enable this. If you cannot view the captions within Webex they can be viewed by opening this link in your browser: https://www.captionedtext.com/client/event.aspx?EventID=4883004&CustomerID=321 As a reminder, everyone will be muted on entry and should keep their microphones on mute. This meeting will be recorded. Please submit your questions or comments to this chat window. We’ll compile and then relay your questions to the presenters during Q&A periods. September 27, 2021 10:00 AM from Brandi Carrier to everyone: Welcome All. We will be getting started shortly. Closed captioning should be available in the Multimedia Viewer panel within Webex. You may need to click “continue” and enter your name to enable this. If you cannot view the captions within Webex they can be viewed by opening this link in your browser: https://www.captionedtext.com/client/event.aspx?EventID=4883004&CustomerID=321 As a reminder, everyone will be muted on entry and should keep their microphones on mute. This meeting will be recorded. Please submit your questions or comments to this chat window. We’ll compile and then relay your questions to the presenters during Q&A periods. September 27, 2021 10:01 AM from Brandi Carrier to everyone: Closed captioning should be available in the Multimedia Viewer panel within Webex. You may need to click “continue” and enter your name to enable this. If you cannot view the captions within Webex they can be viewed by opening this link in your browser: https://www.captionedtext.com/client/event.aspx?EventID=4883004&CustomerID=321 September 27, 2021 10:05 AM from Serina Diniega | JPL, she/her to everyone: Yay! Thanks for getting that added September 27, 2021 10:06 AM from Serina Diniega | JPL, she/her to everyone: Extra helpful this morning as I attend 2 meetings at the same time. :-) September 27, 2021 10:12 AM from Brandi Carrier to everyone: If you need assistance enabling closed captioning for this meeting you can send me a private message in the chat window. Questions or comments for the presenters can also be submitted to this chat window, either privately to me, or to everyone September 27, 2021 10:20 AM from Brandi Carrier to everyone: If you need assistance enabling closed captioning for this meeting you can send me a private message in the chat window. Questions or comments for the presenters can also be submitted to this chat window, either privately to me, or to everyone, and I will transmit them during the discussion period September 27, 2021 10:31 AM from Rebecca McCauley Rench to everyone: Thanks for the kind words, Michael and Eric. September 27, 2021 10:37 AM from Brandi Carrier to everyone: Please submit questions for Eric or Michael here September 27, 2021 10:38 AM from John Whitehead to everyone: Hii, do we have an update on when MSR is expected to transition to Phase B? In mid-2020, that was expected at end of September 2021. September 27, 2021 10:38 AM from Richard Zurek to everyone: Is the schedule for the MDT report still end of 2021? September 27, 2021 10:40 AM from Leslie Tamppari to everyone: There are atm opportunities for science with both as well. Dust lifting when the helicopter takes off or lands for example. Coincident with MEDA obs. September 27, 2021 10:40 AM from Richard Davis to everyone: Rich: schedule for MDT is appoximately a report out by end of Jan....with an interim report in late Nov/early Dec. September 27, 2021 10:40 AM from Jeff Foust to everyone: Is 2026 still the no-earlier-than launch date for Mars Ice Mapper? September 27, 2021 10:41 AM from Bruce Jakosky to everyone: Are there any ongoing impacts of covid on the Mars program? September 27, 2021 10:43 AM from Brandi Carrier to everyone: Any further questions? September 27, 2021 10:44 AM from Bruce Jakosky to everyone: Do you expect any mission delays due to covid, at this point? September 27, 2021 10:45 AM from John D Rummel to everyone: Government shutdown? September 27, 2021 10:46 AM from James Green to everyone: Eric .. just a reminder.. you can't respond at 12:01 if we had a sutdown September 27, 2021 10:51 AM from James Green to everyone: I would like to forbid Rich from leaving.. September 27, 2021 10:53 AM from Richard Zurek to everyone: Thanks for the kind words. It takes a lot of people to make a successful program. I've been fortunate... September 27, 2021 10:53 AM from Roger Wiens to everyone: Thanks so much to Rich for his many years of such excellent management and advice! September 27, 2021 10:53 AM from Doug McC to everyone: Great that Rich is staying on MRO--he and the mission are extremely valuable to Mars Exploration! September 27, 2021 10:54 AM from Barbara Cohen she, her to everyone: Rich, thank you for all you've done, I have learned so much from you. September 27, 2021 10:54 AM from Isaac to everyone: Thank you Rich! September 27, 2021 10:54 AM from Leslie Tamppari to everyone: Thanks for all you've done, Rich! September 27, 2021 10:55 AM from Matthew Chojnacki to everyone: Thanks Rich! MRO is so lucky to keep you ! September 27, 2021 10:55 AM from Eric Ianson to everyone: Thanks Rich and welcome Michael! September 27, 2021 10:56 AM from Leslie Tamppari to everyone: Welcome Michael! I know you'll do great, given you've done great as our group supervisor! September 27, 2021 10:56 AM from Than Putzig to everyone: Thanks and congratulations to both Rich and Michael! September 27, 2021 10:57 AM from Isaac to everyone: Welcome Michael! September 27, 2021 10:59 AM from R Aileen Yingst to everyone: Welcome Michael! September 27, 2021 10:59 AM from Shane Byrne to everyone: Congrat.s Michael September 27, 2021 11:00 AM from Michael Mischna to everyone: Thanks Aileen, and thank you everyone for the kind words. September 27, 2021 11:08 AM from Brandi Carrier to everyone: If you are not able to see the multimedia viewer panel within webex for cloased captioning and would like to enable it within your webex software: go to "view"- "panels"-"manage panels"- and add multimedia viewer to your active panels September 27, 2021 11:08 AM from Armin Kleinboehl to everyone: What are the deadlines for abstracts and forecasts? September 27, 2021 11:09 AM from Marion Anderson to everyone: Will there be any web delivery of sessions? It will be difficult for many internationals to attend otherwise. September 27, 2021 11:09 AM from Bruce Jakosky to everyone: When will venue location be finalized? Coming right after holiday break, it makes a difference in planning for some of us (well, at least for me). September 27, 2021 11:10 AM from Mike Malin to everyone: The biggest challenge to lower cost missions will be the TMC review process. Is there any way HQ will be revisiting that process? September 27, 2021 11:10 AM from Luca Montabone to everyone: I understand (and share) the wish to do the workshop in person...but in a (hopefully) post-Covid era, what about those who would really like to take part but cannot easily travel to California for just a few days? Any "at distance" option? September 27, 2021 11:11 AM from Barbara Saltzberg to everyone: For your convenience, here are the links: Please visit the web site for additional information: https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lowcostmars2022/ Please fill out the “Indication of Interest” survey to help our planning: https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lowcostmars2022/iofi/ September 27, 2021 11:12 AM from Claire Newman [she,her] to everyone: Shouldn't all meetings be hybrid to some extent? September 27, 2021 11:12 AM from Isaac to everyone: International travel is difficult right now, and it may be more difficult after the holidays. September 27, 2021 11:12 AM from Barbara Cohen she, her to everyone: Choosing that path actively excludes a portion of the community, just be aware of that. September 27, 2021 11:13 AM from Leslie Tamppari to everyone: I thought I'd filled out the indication of interest, but I went to do it just in case. It says the deadline has passed (9/24). September 27, 2021 11:13 AM from Claire Newman [she,her] to everyone: I already indicated my interest but had no idea it would not have remote options - personally, I cannot attend in person :( September 27, 2021 11:20 AM from Shannon Curry to everyone: To clarify, we strongly prefer an in person meeting but wanted to get a better sense of community interest to gauge how we proceed with a virtual component September 27, 2021 11:25 AM from Chad Edwards to everyone: Thx all for the strong expression of interest in including a remote participation component to the #LowCostMars2022 workshop. We will take that back to our Organziing Committee for consideration, and will update the community with any updated plans. September 27, 2021 11:31 AM from Brandi Carrier to everyone: Please submit your questions or comments to this chat window. I’ll compile and then relay your questions during Q&A period. September 27, 2021 11:35 AM from John D Rummel to everyone: To what extent did MSPG-2 recommend the use of robotic technology for sample processing/measurements? September 27, 2021 11:36 AM from David Beaty to everyone: MSPG2 did not discuss that. Our goal was proposing requirements, not implementations. September 27, 2021 11:37 AM from John D Rummel to everyone: Did the requirements include needing to handle samples with bare fingers (as in a previous slide)? September 27, 2021 11:39 AM from David Beaty to everyone: In that previous slide the fingers holding a thin section were for scale.--it is obviously not a requirement. September 27, 2021 11:40 AM from John D Rummel to everyone: But DNA recovery/non-contamination might be! September 27, 2021 11:43 AM from Rody Stephenson to everyone: Did you consider transfering unsterilized samples to BSL-4 labs outside the SRF? September 27, 2021 11:44 AM from David Beaty to everyone: That is another implementation question. "SRF" could be more than one building. Again, the focus was to define requirements, so that facility planners could optimize cost and schedule. September 27, 2021 11:46 AM from Robert Bruner to everyone: There is a paper in Nature about experimenting with piece of Mars four billion years old ( NWA 7034 Back Beauty ). Dr. Tetyana Milojevic of the University of Vienna wanted to know if a rock eating a rc September 27, 2021 11:47 AM from Robert Bruner to everyone: Continuing September 27, 2021 11:48 AM from Robert Bruner to everyone: rock eating archaea could survive and thrive by inhrs September 27, 2021 11:49 AM from Robert Bruner to everyone: ingesting the surface. It did. searc September 27, 2021 11:49 AM from David Beaty to everyone: Dave--the atmospheric report has been prepared as a second analysis, with different authorship. The report has been finalized, and is scheduled for publication in Astrobiology. September 27, 2021 11:50 AM from Robert Bruner to everyone: Google " chemolithotrophy mi. September 27, 2021 11:51 AM from David Kass to everyone: There was mention of dust on the outside of the sample tubes and "cleaning them". Was this believed to be Mars dust or terrestrial contamination? September 27, 2021 11:51 AM from Robert Bruner to everyone: chemolithotrophy milojevic 2021" September 27, 2021 11:52 AM from Claire Newman [she,her] to everyone: Can the results be revealed here or must they be held until publication? September 27, 2021 11:52 AM from Claire Newman [she,her] to everyone: Yes. September 27, 2021 11:53 AM from Claire Newman [she,her] to everyone: The requirements for an atmospheric / dust sample. September 27, 2021 11:53 AM from John D Rummel to everyone: If MSR goes to a two-lander (fetch and MAS) implementation, will a dedicated gas and dust sample be feasible? September 27, 2021 11:53 AM from Robert Bruner to everyone: This was sample return 10 years in advance. y September 27, 2021 11:54 AM from Robert Bruner to everyone: You can see the power of the machines in Graz, Austria- aclassi September 27, 2021 11:55 AM from David Beaty to everyone: Claire and Dave--the senior author of the atmospheric paper is Tim Swindle. That may help you to watch for it. He did a really good job with the analysis. September 27, 2021 11:55 AM from Claire Newman [she,her] to everyone: Thanks. September 27, 2021 11:55 AM from David Kass to everyone: There was mention of dust on the outside of the sample tubes and "cleaning them". Was this believed to be Mars dust or terrestrial contamination? September 27, 2021 11:56 AM from John Whitehead to everyone: The MAV RFP from MSFC last month said there will indeed be separate landers for the MAV and the fetch rover. September 27, 2021 11:56 AM from Scott Guzewich to everyone: A gas sample was previously a level 1 requirement, why has that changed? September 27, 2021 11:56 AM from David Beaty to everyone: To Dave Kass--Mars September 27, 2021 11:57 AM from Brandi Carrier to everyone: Scott, the issue addressed by the report is not whether or not there would be a gas sample, but what the science value of different implementation options would be September 27, 2021 11:58 AM from Scott Guzewich to everyone: Thanks September 27, 2021 11:58 AM from Robert Bruner to everyone: a classic example of the need for Mars Sample Return. September 27, 2021 12:00 PM from R Aileen Yingst to everyone: On a 10 m break, see everyone at 3:10 pm EDT, 12:10pm PDT. September 27, 2021 12:11 PM from Matthew Chojnacki to everyone: Thank you Bruce! Well done ! September 27, 2021 12:12 PM from Deanne Rogers to everyone: Congratulations! September 27, 2021 12:12 PM from Leslie Tamppari to everyone: Congratulations, Shannon! September 27, 2021 12:12 PM from Isaac to everyone: Great job over the years Bruce! September 27, 2021 12:12 PM from Isaac to everyone: Welcome Shannon1 September 27, 2021 12:12 PM from Anthony Freeman to everyone: Congratulations Shannon, and well done Bruce! September 27, 2021 12:12 PM from James Green to everyone: Fantastic job Bruce.. and WELCOME Dr. Curry! September 27, 2021 12:12 PM from Doug McC to everyone: Great job Bruce, and congrats Shannon! September 27, 2021 12:13 PM from William Banerdt to everyone: Thanks Bruce for a difficult job well done, and good luck Shannon! September 27, 2021 12:13 PM from William Banerdt to everyone: Hope you have a good orthopedic surgeon! September 27, 2021 12:14 PM from Richard Zurek to everyone: Well done, Bruce! September 27, 2021 12:22 PM from Robert Lillis to everyone: Bruce, if you get quieted again, there's a little arrow beside the Mute/On mute button on Webex. Click on that, then click Settings. There is a checkbox saying "automatically adjust volume". If you uncheck it, you won't be unexpectedly quieted. September 27, 2021 12:27 PM from Brandi Carrier to everyone: Please submit your questions or comments for Bruce to this chat window. I’ll compile and then relay your questions during Q&A period. September 27, 2021 12:29 PM from Serina Diniega | JPL, she/her to everyone: On the off chance - be sure nothing was placed over the microphone. September 27, 2021 12:31 PM from Bruce Jakosky to everyone: The distances you quoted for events 900 and ~8000 km. Were those along the seismic wave path, or along the surface? September 27, 2021 12:31 PM from Barbara Saltzberg to everyone: MEPAG Newsletter: I do see the new request and will put you on the e-mail list when this meeting is over. For anyone that has recently moved your location and your email has changed, please feel free to send me the updated e-mail list with the old one to take off. September 27, 2021 12:32 PM from William Banerdt to everyone: @otherBruce Those distances are along the surface. September 27, 2021 12:32 PM from Rody Stephenson to everyone: Have you seen any quakes the go the long way around Mars? September 27, 2021 12:33 PM from Shannon Curry to everyone: Do the Insight results provide any perspective or new information on how long / when Mars had a magnetic field? September 27, 2021 12:34 PM from William Banerdt to everyone: We have not seen any arrivals that have gone the long way around. In general, we have not confirmed any surface waves (yet). September 27, 2021 12:35 PM from Shannon Curry to everyone: Congrats Megan! September 27, 2021 12:35 PM from William Banerdt to everyone: With the core size and density (which implies composition and thus melting temperatures), the modelers should have some hard information to inform thermal history and dynamo models to address that. But I haven't seen anything yet. September 27, 2021 12:41 PM from Doug McC to everyone: Do we know the "vein filing material's" composition? September 27, 2021 12:44 PM from Bruce Jakosky to everyone: Lost sound, is it just me? September 27, 2021 12:44 PM from Barbara Cohen she, her to everyone: did sound cut out? September 27, 2021 12:45 PM from Brandi Carrier to everyone: Please submit your questions or comments for Abby to this chat window. I’ll compile and then relay your questions during Q&A period. September 27, 2021 12:46 PM from Doug McC to everyone: My phone connection dropped and had to dial back in. September 27, 2021 12:48 PM from Leslie Tamppari to everyone: Did she cut out again? September 27, 2021 12:48 PM from Brandi Carrier to everyone: I can still hear her September 27, 2021 12:48 PM from Doug McC to everyone: Sounds OK for me September 27, 2021 12:48 PM from Leslie Tamppari to everyone: grrr...webex September 27, 2021 12:51 PM from Abigail Fraeman she|her to everyone: Hi Doug - many of the veins are rich in Ca, S, and sometimes Fe September 27, 2021 12:53 PM from Doug McC to everyone: OK thanks. Seem very prevalent as well. Interesting area. September 27, 2021 1:08 PM from Barbara Cohen she, her to everyone: @Katie: you mentioned that the Rochette rock was chosen for its engineering qualities. Can you talk about the decision process that led to collecting a paired sample of this rock? September 27, 2021 1:13 PM from Claire Newman [she,her] to everyone: MEDA also measures the dust content of vortices, so can differentiate between 'clear' and dusty vortices for the first time without imaging required. September 27, 2021 1:31 PM from Katie Stack Morgan she|her to everyone: @Barbara: to prepare for the potential of multiple caches, including one outside of Jezero, a paired sample approach will be the default for most/all samples within Jezero. Given the unexpected sampling outcome at Roubion, paired sampling at Rochette guarantees that a Jezero crater floor sample will be present in our initial Jezero cache, as well as another potential cache outside of Jezero. September 27, 2021 1:33 PM from Bruce Mackenzie to everyone: are there a significant number of people on audio only, phone, who cannot see the chat, if so, please read significant answers September 27, 2021 1:33 PM from Bruce Jakosky to everyone: Jacob, I see substantial and appropriate input on science for Artemis coming via SMD, but it isn't clear what HEOMD (or it's new acronym) is doing with that. Do you feel that adequate attention is being paid to planning science, both for the first lunar human missions and for follow-on missions? September 27, 2021 1:34 PM from Barbara Cohen she, her to everyone: thanks Katie September 27, 2021 1:36 PM from Bethany Ehlmann to everyone: @Julie @Jake -- Thanks for reaching out about human mission science planning and getting MEPAG involved in setting goals/objectives early. So important for doing the best science at Mars with humans! What is the current status of HEO's thinking about precursor measurements? Are there required precursor measurements prior to sending humans or are we good to go now? If there are required precursors, how will SMD and HEO work on crafting the approach to these measurements? September 27, 2021 1:37 PM from Shoshanna Cole to everyone: Will scientists train the Artemis astronauts in lunar geology as was done for Apollo? September 27, 2021 1:37 PM from Serina Diniega | JPL, she/her to everyone: related to potential precursor measurements - what is future-HEOMD's involvement or influence with Mars Ice Mapper? September 27, 2021 1:39 PM from Vicky Hamilton to everyone: @Julie @Jake -- Will the new directorate continue to contribute financially to, and remain involved intellectually with, SSERVI? September 27, 2021 1:39 PM from Richard Zurek to everyone: To Michael and Jake, What might be the near-term activities for MEPAG? September 27, 2021 1:41 PM from Bruce Jakosky to everyone: Thanks, Jacob and Julie. September 27, 2021 1:45 PM from Serina Diniega | JPL, she/her to everyone: if there's time - would be interested in hearing about future-HEOMD's involvement or influence with Mars Ice Mapper (as that was not answered) September 27, 2021 1:46 PM from Vicky Hamilton to everyone: @Julie - thank you. September 27, 2021 1:47 PM from Serina Diniega | JPL, she/her to everyone: thank you! September 27, 2021 1:48 PM from Barbara Cohen she, her to everyone: So to clarify, Mars Ie Mapper is now a Science mission and not a Moon-to-Mars mission as Jim Watzin has previously said? September 27, 2021 1:49 PM from Vicky Hamilton to everyone: @Barbara: +1 September 27, 2021 1:49 PM from Bethany Ehlmann to everyone: ^^^^^^ good to clarify @Barbara's q September 27, 2021 1:50 PM from Vicky Hamilton to everyone: Previously, it's been made clear that iMIM is an HEOMD mission executed by SMD for HEO. September 27, 2021 1:51 PM from Claire Newman [she,her] to everyone: Vicky +1 September 27, 2021 1:52 PM from Vicky Hamilton to everyone: The question is what is driving iMIM (i.e., requirements) -- science or exploration needs? September 27, 2021 1:52 PM from Serina Diniega | JPL, she/her to everyone: +1 Vicky - and will be interesting to see who's on the MDT and what they are able to do September 27, 2021 1:53 PM from Barbara Cohen she, her to everyone: and also where the money is coming from September 27, 2021 1:55 PM from Vicky Hamilton to everyone: The Mars panel of the Decadal Survey was told in open session that the money is not coming from MEP or SMD and goes away if iMIM doesn't fly. September 27, 2021 1:55 PM from Michael Meyer to everyone: The MDT is not selected yet. September 27, 2021 1:55 PM from Barbara Cohen she, her to everyone: I think the confusion is oming from who is decalring the strategic value for science. Tradisionally we get science priorities fro mthe Decadal Survey. September 27, 2021 1:55 PM from Alfred McEwen to everyone: If iMIM is a science mission, why doesn't it have a science definition team? September 27, 2021 1:56 PM from Claire Newman [she,her] to everyone: +1 Alfred. September 27, 2021 1:56 PM from Shannon Curry to everyone: +1 Aileen September 27, 2021 1:59 PM from Reed Spurling to everyone: There are multiple Discovery mission concepts focusing on Mars ice, so will iMIM end up accidentally diverting money away from those? September 27, 2021 2:00 PM from Brandi Carrier to everyone: mepagmeetingqs@jpl.nasa.gov September 27, 2021 2:01 PM from Lauren Holt to everyone: Link to the slides, please? September 27, 2021 2:01 PM from Eric Ianson to everyone: Keep in mind the internatinal partnership gets Ice Mapper for a fraction of the cost to NASA (relative to a Discovery cost) September 27, 2021 2:01 PM from Brandi Carrier to everyone: The slides will be posted by the end of the week